RE: Fixing quoting in Outlook (Was RE: Request for a version/ rev ision/ release number for the whole Cygwin release/ distribution)

["Hughes, Bill" <Bill dot Hughes at cox dot co dot uk>]

Brian Dessent wrote:
> "Hughes, Bill" wrote:
> 
>> I have noticed that when I (have to) use outlook for any period
>> there are two main effects: 1) I long for a real mail client.
>> 2) I start to forget that real mail clients thread properly.
>> 
>> This isn't a comment about any particular person but if you use
>> outlook a lot you get used to a flat list of emails. MS half-baked
>> attempt at threading 'View'->'By Conversation' doesn't do the job at
>> all well and I don't use it, but it does (allegedly) group mails in
>> the same thread together. It doesn't show the relationship - i.e. no
>> tree structure, but it may help sometimes. And no, I can't change
>> MUA, I would if I could but I can't. 
> 
> The irony of this message is that your reply contains neither a
> "In-Reply-To:" nor a "References:" header, containing the
> Message-Id of
> the mail to which you're replying, so no proper mail reader
> will thread
> it.  I can't tell if you were demonstrating Outlook's crapulence or if
> whatever program you normally use lacks proper threading
> header support
> as well.  It looks like your message does contain a "X-Msg-Ref:"
> header containing a Message-Id, but the utility of this nonstandard
> header when
> two standard ones already exist is beyond my comprehension.
And mine. 
No it wasn't deliberate, I just selected "reply-to-all" for Igor's post, as
I can't associate a folder with a mailing list like a real mua can, and
removed David Christensen's address.
After sending the message I switched my cygwin folder to 'By Conversation'
and it didn't even put my message (from the list) in the same 'conversation'
as the post to which I replied.
I can't change mua as this is work, and I can't even use my Gmail account to
see if that works better - it does thread properly though.

> At some point in Microsoft's past someone must have decided that
> threading by subject-line only was a great idea, and that use
> of one or
> both of the above standard headers for preserving the thread's tree
> structure was a good idea.  Whomever this person is, they need to be
> sought out and methodically made to thread all mailing list
> archives for
> every mailing list that has ever existed, by hand.
Agreed. But you may be giving too much credit.
The matter of threading may never have even been considered.

Bill
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